Anti-Pesticide Activist Alerts National Media
We were a little put off this one time when Zingerman’s mixed up our order and gave us a sandwich with mayonnaise, but it never occurred to us to call Fox News Detroit and The Washington Post. If only we’d taken our cues from Ann Arbor activist Tess Karwoski, whose lawn was mistakenly sprayed with pesticides, the national news media would have been alerted to this travesty. (And if anyone’s an anti-mayonnaise activist, we would qualify.)
We just brought the sandwich back, but Karwoski took the opportunity to educate the ChemLawn worker about the hazards of his profession. “By the time she was done, she said, the young man’s eyes were watering. ‘I don’t know if it was the pesticides or what I was telling him,’ she said.”
So how did ChemLawn end up targeting this innocent woman’s house? Turns out she’d had a contract with them “which was only to aerate her three-quarter acre lawn and turn her sprinklers on and off.” They were only supposed to waste water beautifying her sprawled-out yard, not do anything environmentally irresponsible.
i know this has nothing to do with chemlawn comment, but are you familiar with any good bakeries and up-scale take out joints in ann arbor? i know that in the 20 years that i’ve been gone, a plethora of restaurants have popped up and its hard to know which ones are good or which ones just have great PR.
posted by Anonymous on September 15th, 2006 at 11:34 amAnon:
I dunno about classy takeout (I don’t think BTB qualifies), but the Dexter Bakery is a pretty good place for bread and doughnuts. Its just a few miles outside of town.
posted by Daniel Adams on September 15th, 2006 at 1:03 pmZingerman’s is the best bakery there is - Go to the Bakehouse on Plaza Dr. off Airport Blvd. for delights of all sorts. They also have take out made up sandwiches and soups. Expensive but worth every cent. Their sour cream coffee cake is to die for. A better selection of breads, etc. than at the deli.
Another great place for salads is Busch’s deli on Main St. They also have a decent main course/salad bar. And the Produce Station on S. State (you could stop there on your way home from the Bakehouse). Also, try the Food Co-op on Fourth Ave. downtown.
posted by justme on September 15th, 2006 at 4:17 pmI miss Amy Joy. Or was that Amy Joy’s? Or Quality Bakery.
It’s is a little offputting to see that so many good, cranky people have swallowed the Zingerman’s Kool-Aid.
I go there waiting for the transcendant experience that people keep promising me, but it doesn’t happen.
I notice cakes that spend perhaps longer than they should in the display case, and baked goods that seem to taste about the same as ones I would get anywhere else.
It’s well-marketed. And expensive. And did I say well-marketed?
Maybe the cheese, deli and food items are excellent and worth the price. But I say the sandwiches have gone downhill, the baked goods are nothing special and the coffee is over-priced.
But they are very, very good at building the brand.
posted by haenck on September 15th, 2006 at 6:20 pmYou are an asshole.
posted by Your an asshole on September 15th, 2006 at 6:25 pmPretty vague claim, isn’t it?
posted by HNG on September 15th, 2006 at 6:33 pmwaiting eagerly for this discussion to devolve into back-and-forth ranting about the evils of capitalism . . .
posted by Nick on September 15th, 2006 at 6:38 pmLike so many things in Ann Arbor, Zingerman’s is overrated.
posted by Alan Gutierrez on September 15th, 2006 at 6:40 pmI’m less concerned about Zingerman’s, more concerned about lawncare…
posted by AAMom on September 15th, 2006 at 7:02 pmCalling me an asshole would be much more effective if you wrote it in Zingerman’s hand-tooled, free-range, oh, so precious font.
posted by haenck on September 15th, 2006 at 9:48 pmI know this has nothing to do with bakeries or up scale take out joints, but this evening I bought a bottle of Leopold Bros whiskey on the shelf at my local liquor store. This is surprising because I live in Decatur, GA, and Leopold Bros. is very far away.
So if Todd is reading this, thanks!
posted by Daniel Adams on September 15th, 2006 at 10:17 pm“I’m less concerned about Zingerman’s, more concerned about lawncare…”
No need to be so concerned…. Abolish mowing!
Such a time wasting, petty bourgeois habit as that stunts our lawn grasses, preventing their proper growth and natural maturity — which is needed to provide us their nutritious seeds of life. Ground these grains into grass flour and you begin to feed the masses. If citizens everywhere stand up for what is right, resist upper class pressure, stop mowing their lawns and start harvesting them instead, we can end hunger in our time! We will seize the day from the corrupt, half-baked, pesticide-infested and monopolist agribusiness megacorporations! The real breadbasket of America is right outside our neighborhood front doors. Bread and roses in our yards!
That’s why Tess, this Ann Arbor activist, was so concerned about what Chemlawn “accidentally” did to her property (such are the crafty seeds of evil as sown by the likes of Dick Cheney). Now she’ll have to wait another two or three years for her yard to pass an agricultural organic standards test. In the meantime, any flour derived from a tall, mature lawn in her yard will not be fully pure or proletarian-ready.
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posted by hale freedonia on September 15th, 2006 at 10:39 pm(Nick — sorry to keep you waiting this long.)
Thank you.
posted by Nick on September 16th, 2006 at 12:35 amI don’t use pesticides or fertilizer. But I do have a lawnmower man. We moved here from out of state, and when we arrived, someone had been mowing our lawn., It was the guy who mowed the lawn for the previous owner, a lifelong Ann Arborite who drives an old car with many antennae. His age is indistinguishable, at least 50 though, and he mows in shorts, a headband, the old Mexican sandals that had the two ring, and aviator mirror sunglasses.
That’s my lawncare.
posted by AAMom on September 16th, 2006 at 10:20 amMy lawn mowing guy plays in the Ann Arbor Symphony Orchestra.
posted by Larry Kestenbaum on September 16th, 2006 at 10:38 amNew York City has a lot more delis than Ann Arbor, I’ve noticed. And nobody seems to be obsessed with them. Well, I sorta am.
posted by Brandon on September 16th, 2006 at 7:14 pmBut in New York City, there are some good delis, and there are some bad delis, and there are some tourist-trap delis (like that one in Midtown near 57th and 6th Ave. whatever the hell it’s called), and there are some delis where you can get a good deal. But in Ann Arbor, there is just Zingerman’s. Scottinis and these other places one could name are just all running a distant 3rd in name recognition and pricing and all that, unless you are the sort who prefers the classic Italian deli sandwich and are old enough to remember when that was the norm.
The main evil of Zingerman’s, as far as I can tell, besides the subtle decline of the sandwich made there (perhaps corresponding with the decline of Ann Arbor generally and even the quality of the New York Times?), is the notion of good cheese and good bread as luxury items for the wealthy. One sees a similar phenomenon over at the Farmer’s Market with the produce. These things should be staples — fresh bread, fresh produce, good, flavorful cheese … that, and their coffee sucks. Their coffee guy is good, and his beans are good, fresh-roasted, so I don’t know how they do it, but I’ve never had a more tasteless latte…
posted by Daniel on September 16th, 2006 at 10:59 pmDan Adams, as a former Dexter man you would recommend the Bakery!
Seriously though, the Dexter Bakery has some of the best Apple Fritters I have ever eaten, and the Dexter Cider Mill is right down the road.
posted by McNally on September 17th, 2006 at 10:24 amI would indeed! The fritters are excellent, and the chocolate raised? Ambrosia.
posted by Daniel Adams on September 17th, 2006 at 7:38 pmIs it time to go to the Dexter Cider Mill yet? That place is great.
posted by PondComet on September 18th, 2006 at 9:40 amZingerman’s cold brew coffee in the little bottles is very good. So, I’d blame whatever they are doing at the espresso machine. Plus, I’d forgive them far greater sins than they have committed for the cheddar scones and the chocolate croissants. What can I say, I’m a sucker for baked goods. The apple fritters are indeed terrific at Dexter Bakery, but it’s a long drive (which we’re trying to cut down on) out there for us.
As to the environmentalist and her (too big?) lawn: Why is she patronizing a big chain like ChemLawn that mostly wants to spary chemicals on your grass anyway? If she really needed something done, why not patronize Back to Nature? When we had grubs that were attracting skunks (skunks love grubs), Back to Nature got us straightened away. They aerated and I guess they would have watered but we didn’t think to ask about that level of service. Plus, we got a discount as Co-op members. Or maybe it was the Credit Union. Anyway, another place that I’d think a local environmentalist would surely patronize
posted by Chris on September 18th, 2006 at 9:44 amGive me a break! Zingerman’s is the biggest sham in MI. It’s shit. And, they think they are THE SCHIZNITZ which they are NOT> Being a freaking NY Jew, I’d say—buckus! A 12.50 SANDWICH??? in Michigan??? With LEAN corned beef? EVERYONE knows that a little fat makes the meat. ANYONE who SAYS that they KNOW what they are doing are ridiculous.
Best made latte in Ann Arbor: Zola & Big Ten Market (have SEAN the red-head make it––they have a lovely sign that says NO SKIM–)
Bakery? Jefferson Market but it seems that our lovely Austrian baker has taken a leave again—too bad–hopefully she’ll be back soon.
Other World Bakery on Miller
Take out? Jefferson Market still holds best to NONE. Sushi.come has good prices. That’s ABOUT IT. Oh, chinese? Paradise on Eisenhower blows EVERYONE out of the water. They are Vietnamese & make everything so you can TASTE it and not just taste SUGAR like the endless rest’s on STadium.
that’s it for now
give me a break!!
(get taste buds)
ps A2 farmer’s market is priced for the DR’s from the hospital. Give me a break! IT’s a sham.
posted by give me a break on September 20th, 2006 at 8:40 amTake out? Jefferson Market still holds best to NONE.
I’ve warmed up to Jefferson Market after seeing them as mostly an overpriced trinket store, but comparing them to Zingerman’s is just silly. Zingerman’s, at least as a gourmet store, is one of the few things in Ann Arbor that is actually better than most of its big-city counterparts. Jefferson Market is just a nice neighborhood store.
posted by ann arbor is overrated on September 20th, 2006 at 9:40 amwow, give me a break with the WORDS in CAPITALS…agree with AAiO that Jefferson Mkt and Zingermans shouldn’t be compared, and slow the roll on the chinese food, China Gate at the corner of Church and South U is tough to beat.
posted by nymbani yangu on September 20th, 2006 at 12:30 pmI don’t actually find the Farmers at the Farmers’ Market to be expensive, at all, especially for the organic stuff.
If you’re talking about the Etruscan-Grain-Fed-Alaskan Atlantic Spider Cod at Monahans’, or the Coddled-then-Painlessly-Assassinated Beef at Sparrow inside Kerrytown, it’s a different story.
posted by Nitro on September 20th, 2006 at 1:13 pmI’ve had the opposite experience. Farmers’ markets everywhere else I’ve been are much cheaper than grocery stores. But here, the farmer’s market is more expensive. Sparrow and Monahan’s, on the other hand, are offering meat that’s noticeably higher-quality than what you can find at the grocery store, which is going to be about that expensive pretty much everywhere. (Although Monahan’s may be somewhat too expensive even taking that into account.)
Furthermore, they constitute a grocery store you can walk to. The farmers’ market is in the same location, but open only twice a week, so it’s not really a convenience. So I’d have to say that Sparrow/Monahan’s is the better deal.
posted by ann arbor is overrated on September 20th, 2006 at 1:25 pmWell, I didn’t mean it was overpriced Etruscan-Grain-Fed-Alaskan Atlantic Spider Cod. I just meant it was expensive.
I’ll have to make a more scientific study on the vegetables. It always seems to me that a armful of fresh (particularly comparing organic to organic) produce costs less form the Farmers Market than at Krogers, but maybe I’m just swayed by the fact that it’s less wilty and pummelled.
posted by Nitro on September 20th, 2006 at 2:13 pmWhat *is* it that Kroger does to their produce? Even tough items like radishes look like they’ve done a round with Mike Tyson (including the bite marks).
Say what you like about Monahan’s, they take care with their product. If I get two dozen cherrystones from them, I can guarantee none will have cracked shells, and the same cannot be said of Whole Foods.
posted by Chris on September 20th, 2006 at 2:18 pmI don’t know if you have tried their lunch there (Monahan’s)…but it’s honestly one of the best deals in town. Chewie is an awesome chef, as is Bernie.
(disclaimer: I am a former fishmongress)
posted by OFWinsurgent on September 20th, 2006 at 4:15 pm“The main evil of Zingerman’s … is the notion of good cheese and good bread as luxury items for the wealthy. One sees a similar phenomenon over at the Farmer’s Market with the produce. These things should be staples — fresh bread, fresh produce, good, flavorful cheese.”
Just a century ago, in a drearier time, only the gilded, well-heeled members of society had privileged access to such elite goodies as bright white flour. If you were J.P. Morgan, you could use your wealth and influence to obtain the equivalent of Wonder Bread. But not so back then for the vast unwashed masses, whose ongoing poverty usually forced them to adopt an everyday, low-cost whole grain diet, supplemented by what fresh artisanal foods they could afford on the cheap in their tenement neighborhoods. Yet another grim secret is that until about 70 years ago, even the wealthiest of the wealthy could not opt out from buying organic produce — not until the evolutionary ancestors of Chemlawn stepped out from the lab and into farmers’ fields to bring real Choice into our dietary lives. The times, they were a’ changin’.
The appearance of Choice those years ago, combined with the concurrent arrival of Fordism in food processing and manufacture, led to triumph for Democracy. In time, J.P.’s white flour trickled down to all of us. The Wonder of it all! As a result, the base, crude, fiber-infested diets of our ancestors’ nearly vanished. What still survives has been relegated to peculiar, retro sideshows like food co-ops, Zingerman’s, and Jefferson Market. These remain off the beaten track of mass Americana, as their products’ economy of scale slumped badly during the late 20th century, initiating a steady plague of high prices in these establishments.
posted by hale on September 20th, 2006 at 11:29 pmOh, come on. A hundred years ago they used arsenic in pesticide, lead in paint, mercury in medicines, carbon monoxide in gaslights. They may not have been able to formulate dioxin or DDT, but our ancestors still got into plenty of trouble with the toxins they had.
They were slow to notice these effects because (given very poor sanitary conditions) disease caused most of the morbidity and mortality, even among the affluent.
Today we enjoy historically unprecedented cleanliness; terms like “open sewer” and “rat trap” have little relevance any more. Now that cholera and typhus and plague and tuberculosis are no longer commonplace, we have come to recognize and address the comparatively subtle hazards of chemical contamination.
posted by Larry Kestenbaum on September 21st, 2006 at 3:06 amthere are rat traps in the alley behind the arena sports bar.
posted by peter honeyman on September 21st, 2006 at 7:12 amFood does bring up passions. I’ll add these thoughts - for some of us, chemlawn and similar products are no small inconvenience. Chemical senstivities are real, mine are minor - headache, confusion, panic, spaceyness. When the neighborhood reaks of chemlawn, I have to avoid it inside.
posted by born in aa on September 21st, 2006 at 9:09 amThe Co-op and Zingermans both are champions in supporting local farmers, creating a market so that they can keep farming. They both contribute to the AA community in many other ways. (Education, donations, training, and more.) Spending money on local businesses means that money mostly stays in the community. A big plus for everyone. The Farmers Market is a direct link to the people who grow the food, and it is a pleasure to support them, and by doing that supporting green space, family farms, and independent business people.
Given the wide range of tastes and beliefs about food, isn’t it great we have so many options? Spend your dollars where you want, but why trash the people and services that are making a difference in ways you might not have considered?
“Spending money on local businesses means that money mostly stays in the community. A big plus for everyone.”
Except for everyone “not in the community”?
There’s other reasons why it might make sense to buy local, but this “people in my community deserve the money more than people in yours” line of argument has never appealed to me….
posted by Bruce Fields on September 21st, 2006 at 10:35 amYeah, I’m not a big fan either. Maybe the actual point of the argument is that the most successful businesspeople in a very small community will be far less wealthy than the most successful businesspeople in the country, so keeping things local results in less of a concentration of wealth, but no one ever puts it that way.
posted by ann arbor is overrated on September 21st, 2006 at 11:13 amSo, if a rising tide lifts all boats, the point of keeping money in the community is to just keep everyone in town in the dry dock where we belong?
posted by Nick on September 21st, 2006 at 11:51 amI think we have discussed this on here before. Several of my chief motivations for buying locally include: knowing about the production processes and conditions of the goods I am buying; helping maintain a diverse local economy so that I (and those I care about) have better choices of jobs/careers; not paying for excessive transportation and its attendant problems; and in the case of Michigan produce the product is superior even though economies of scale and labor costs make California and Central or South American produce cheaper.
posted by Dale on September 21st, 2006 at 12:26 pmI’m confident most people who advise “Buying Local” wouldn’t have any objection to buying produce from a small farm 900 miles away. It’s just that it’s hard to bicycle that far to get the stuff.
posted by Nitro on September 21st, 2006 at 12:40 pmIt actually is a pretty simple concept, you can drain money away from a local economy or build it up. The build up is from local spending, as well as from people buying stuff who are living elsewhere. There is a balance. We’ll always have some dollars leaving the area. Small businesses, and especially farmers, benefit from dollars staying in the area. Those dollars go further locally rather than having to trickle back after someone somewhere else skims off their profit.
posted by born in aa on September 21st, 2006 at 4:24 pmThe co-op has over 5,000 membr owners in the area. The co-op only reinvests locally. I may benefit from rebates (a percentage of profit returned to members) or indirectly by my favorite farmers being able to stay in business and have access to better food at reasonable prices. There are also more than 70 employees (last I heard) who are employed. Wages could and should be higher, and as support grows (expansion) that is a high priority for the co-op.
Co-ops were created to pool resources for better value for members and local activities - from the original rural electrical co-ops, the credit unions, to the more well known food co-ops that are thriving today.
If there is a choice, I’ll support local co-ops and independently owned businesses.
But I guess my whole premise is that I believe in investing in and supporting Ann Arbor and other nearby local area businesses — and that is rather the opposite view of many who read this blog? So that may be parting point…
There’s definitely a subtext in “Buying Local” that’s really about buying small.
Lots of people consider it to be about appropriate distribution of wealth. The things that are available that aren’t locally produced are likely to be provided by a large conglomerate, and a generous ladle of the money goes to, for instance, that creepy Walton Family.
If you’re not buying local, you’re giving a disproportionate amount of money to transport and handle your stuff, and frequently you’re supporting industries that treat their employees in a substandard way.
So are the people in Sam Walton’s hometown “Buying Local” when they go to the Wal-Mart?
Am I “Buying Local” as I stuff myself with Zoloft, Lipitor and Viagra every Monday morning?
I don’t think that I’m supporting the spirit of the movement by doing that. No doubt some people feel differently, but I have a T-Shirt, so I must be right.
http://www.cafepress.com/borax.13653533
http://www.cafepress.com/borax.76340472
Note: a disproportionate amount of money would go to cafepress, which is not locally owned. So, you shouldn’t buy it if you support the whole local thing.
posted by Nitro on September 22nd, 2006 at 9:55 amYeah, amazingly good deli sandwiches in NY are danged cheap.
The one thing I sorta miss about Ann Arbor so far is walking to all my entertainment/bar needs, though… I think I need to move to a more exciting neighborhood. I constantly find myself commuting on the train to Williamsburg and Lower Manhattan at night and it’s getting old.
posted by Brandon on September 22nd, 2006 at 3:10 pm“A hundred years ago they used arsenic in pesticide…. They may not have been able to formulate dioxin or DDT, but our ancestors still got into plenty of trouble with the toxins they had.”
I stand corrected [– to go back a ways earlier in this thread]. Yes, back then there truly was an alternative to the endless array of inexpensive organic produce, which, during the Roosevelt/Wilson era, was referred to as “food.” This alternative manifested itself through a specifically American appreciation:
“Lead arsenate was overwhelmingly the most popular insecticide throughout the early 20th century; it often killed plants, bees, and livestock as readily as it killed insects. Still its popularity remained uncontested for several decades. There was considerable opposition in Europe to the import of food from North America that had been sprayed with lead arsenate, but these concerns were widely dismissed by the founding fathers of American agribusiness.” [ Brian Tokar, writing in Z magazine]
A century later, a similar U.S./Europe argument plays out again, with global warming now substituting for lead arsenate.
“Today we enjoy historically unprecedented cleanliness; terms like “open sewer” and “rat trap” have little relevance any more.”
True, generally speaking. The open squalor described in novels by Dickens or Upton Sinclair has been considerably cleaned up. Agriculture, however, got significantly worse on the chemical front, despite arsenic falling into disfavor. The “subtle hazards of chemical contamination,” have spread throughout rural lands and deep into the soil, even threatening the drinkability of water sources in some midwest/prairie states. Farmworkers, meanwhile, whether “legal” or “illegal,” act as canaries in the coal mine, developing not-so-subtle cancers in growing, if not yet epidemic, numbers.
posted by hale on September 24th, 2006 at 6:24 pmthanks for all your input. who knew a simple question on good baked goods would turn all this out. i grew up in A2 and moved to chicago 20 years ago. Boy has it changed. it used to be this radical town filled with hippies, intellectuals and activists. It appears so yuppified today that i barely recognize my home town. ah the sad march of “progress.”
posted by Anonymous on September 29th, 2006 at 2:51 pmThe baked goods question was for my mother, who turns 80 this december. I wanted to throw her a party and get a killer cake.
A2 still holds a spot in my heart, but you definitely can’t go home again.
No, no, Ann Arbor was never a “radical town filled with hippies”. Maybe certain neighborhoods were. Ann Arbor in the 1960s and 1970s was a very conservative place with a small core of radical dissenters. We all remember the radicals, but forget the context.
posted by Larry Kestenbaum on September 29th, 2006 at 3:20 pmperhaps. i was born in 64, so my memory of A2 is through a youth’s eye. i remember driving past the diag with my dad after church one sunday, asking what the HUGE crowd of people were doing……it was april 1….for those of you who remember, better known as hash bash. doesn’t anyone remember the impeach nixon signs all over campus? maybe it was my upbringing, but i always thought it was more liberal than conservative.. My memories consist of baking bread and making granola at the people’s food co-op in order to get our 10% off, of working at Eden’s (anyone remember that restaurant). I was the baker, making 500 chipati daily that were sold to a few other restaurants.
posted by jackie on September 29th, 2006 at 3:35 pmi guess my memories are better than the real thing.
Hey, don’t the “Impeach Bush” signs bring back memories?
I didn’t know the Co-op made their own bread back in teh day — when I first came here in the early 90s it was Wildflower.
posted by Chris on September 29th, 2006 at 4:09 pmhale, I did not know that Europe objected to U.S. use of arsenic insecticides. Of course, in those days transportation was too slow for transatlantic export of most agricultural products.
Still, I very much stand by my earlier comments. As to rats and open sewers, I wasn’t talking about Upton Sinclair’s poverty tenements. A hundred years ago, even in the “best” neighborhoods, every major street turned into a flood of liquefied equine fecal matter when it rained. Thick coal smoke hid the sun in many cities, and filled the lungs of rich and poor alike.
Life expectancy was shorter then, and high mortality attributable to communicable disease and infection obscured the effects of the toxics they were using. A chemical that caused deadly disease in five years would probably not have been recognized as a poison in 1900, unless large numbers of workers were using it constantly, and it caused distinctive symptoms. In that sense, the toxicity of contamination with parts-per-million of today’s agricultural chemicals is accurately described as “subtle”.
I mean, subtle compared to things like tetanus or cyanide.
posted by Larry Kestenbaum on September 29th, 2006 at 4:14 pmwhen i left A2, it was 1987. i’ve been back for visits, but its not the same.
posted by jackie on September 29th, 2006 at 4:19 pmi miss Drake’s. i worked there in the 80s when in highschool and college. what a memory. i suppose Drake’s wouldn’t be Drake’s without truman tibbels. There should be a blog for X-drake’s employees. Mr. T used to give every “girl” a $100 gold coin when they graduated from UM. That’s a lot of gold when you consider how many young women he had working for him throughout the years. It was an amazing blast from the past. they paid the workers every day, a system held over from the depression. we tallied our own hours, took out our own taxes and put them in the “tax jar” and paid ourselves from the register. That kind of trust doesn’t happen these days. Anyone else work there?
The sandwiches at Maize & Blue Deli can kick the a$$ of the Zingerman’s sandwiches ANY DAY. I’m continually amazed that this unpretentious, quality establishment continues to exist here. I see it’s even escaped the attention of those who pretend to be unlike the typical Ann Arbor resident. I’m old enough to remember when Zingerman’s opened, and back then there sandwiches were as thick at the edges as they were in the middle. Now they resemble pyramids, yet they cost more.
For those of you who avoid the 5 block radius around Rick’s (can’t say I blame you) , M&B is on S. University across from the long closed Bagel Factory.
Speaking of - what the heck are they going to do with that place? It’s too bad VC can’t expand into it. Wait wait - don’t tell me - more ‘affordable’ condos?
Oh, and for takeout, I love the Bi Bim Bop at Eastern Accents, but when you get it to go, I swear you get less! Ali Baba has good sandwiches, they used to be insanely cheap, now they are just normally priced. For burgers, Red Hots, Caseys or Knights are the best. Ostensibly, Red Hawk is supposed to be the same as Caseys, but their attitude is so pissy it’s not worth it.
What I miss after moving back here from DC and NYC are the delis with “pay by the pound” buffets. Maybe they have them here and I’m just not finding them.
posted by Ruby Carter on October 4th, 2006 at 11:48 pm