Nothing Compares 2 1 View of Ann Arbor
The newly launched AnnArborTownies.com (thanks, Larry) hosts its first blog, 1 View of Ann Arbor, and it’s a doozy. Ever wondered why the city is suddenly insisting on putting these concrete “sidewalk” things everywhere? “I think it is a Public works project to support the cement workers (read hispanic).” Want a solution to the affordable housing problem? “[C]an’t somebody have the courage to stand up and say ‘Get the pinhead carpet baggers out of our houses?’ All the affordable houses in Ann Arbor are occupied by students, and look like crap.” There’s even a sexist Mary Sue Coleman joke thrown in.
what a turbodouche.
posted by OFWinsurgent on August 14th, 2006 at 12:57 pmIf I were a cranky, reactionary blogger, the least I would do is make sure my apostrophes were correctly placed. Along with correct turn signal usage and correct strolling location (the sidewalk), my mom taught me that I should always use correct grammar and punctuation. Guess Jim’s mom only hit the first two.
posted by Carolyn on August 14th, 2006 at 1:02 pmEvidently townies love them some commas, too.
posted by NAG on August 14th, 2006 at 2:21 pmThat’s fucking unreal.
posted by Zach on August 14th, 2006 at 2:53 pmMan, if this isn’t classic…the guy posts up offensive diatribe that would be welcome on the O’Reilly Factor and people here are bitching about his use of punctuation.
This site never ceases to amaze me (and I mean this as a compliment to AAIO).
posted by OFWinsurgent on August 14th, 2006 at 3:11 pmWhy bitch? That blog is a quality entertainment. Much like this one, but for a totally different reason.
posted by Dave on August 14th, 2006 at 4:05 pmSome people should not be allowed to have blogs.
posted by Brandon on August 14th, 2006 at 4:51 pmThat is just stunning, right there.
posted by 14th Windiest State on August 14th, 2006 at 5:22 pmWhat, OFW, you wanted me to engage with the CONTENT? Nah.
posted by Carolyn on August 14th, 2006 at 6:40 pmno preference on my part actually, I was just making an observation.
posted by OFWinsurgent on August 14th, 2006 at 8:36 pmI don’t know, it seems like this site; pick on shit and see who bites. But I noticed there were no bites, well almost no bites. How’s my punctuation so far?
posted by abc on August 14th, 2006 at 9:25 pmin your first sentence, the comma should be a period or perhaps ellipses and the semicolon should be a colon.
your second sentence starts with but, a flagrant no-no. also, i suggest an em dash, ellipses, or parentheses instead of a comma to isolate the trailing clause.
the third sentence is excellent — good work!
posted by peter honeyman on August 15th, 2006 at 4:50 amI want to be like Jim C someday when I grow up. The punctuation, not perfect. But its the thought’s that count. His ideas bring change to ones life.
I will locate and learn to use my turn signal, so no one thinks I come from out of town to carpetbag the pinhead shops on Myrtle Beach Ave. at a time of year when the City needlessly pays those people to roll up the sidewalks. They’ll have to unroll them in a few weeks anyway. Another paycheck, I would suppose.
Please remember, readers of this place who wish to understand Jim C: you are not a true Townie unless you type “www.” before each address. [No “H” required to be spoken.] Do this on your post office addresses too. Get the extra practice.
posted by A Walmart shopper on August 15th, 2006 at 8:51 amIt’s perfectly acceptable to start sentences with conjunctions. But maybe it didn’t used to be.
posted by Dave on August 15th, 2006 at 12:07 pmBut this sentence doesn’t like starting with a conjunction.
posted by Michael McC. on August 15th, 2006 at 12:26 pmit’s ok for you to start a sentence with a conjunction. and it’s ok for me to start a sentence with a conjunction. but it’s not ok to a grammar checker.
posted by peter honeyman on August 15th, 2006 at 1:44 pm*facepalm*
(I think I speak for many townies when I say that.)
posted by Ben on August 15th, 2006 at 2:12 pmSo this is what happened to Mucho Gusto? He got his own blog!
Sadly it is now member-only.
posted by Parking Structure Dude! on August 15th, 2006 at 3:46 pmWhat the phooey. I guess I’m not Ann Arbor enough. When I click on the link, I don’t even have permission to view the blog. Maybe that’s a good thing.
posted by Nancy Shore on August 15th, 2006 at 3:52 pmThe price of new-found fame. Celebrities often have mixed feelings regarding publicity and privacy. However, once you’ve caught the attention of a well-known county official, you’re on the fast track.
Nancy — All good things must eventually end. This cached Yahoo Search link might still work.
posted by hale on August 15th, 2006 at 6:08 pmEnding a sentence with a preposition is one thing up with which I shall not put.
Who can disagree with Churchill on this?
posted by Dave Cahill on August 15th, 2006 at 6:29 pmnor should churchill have put up with ending a sentence with a preposition.
that guy was a hack. i’d sooner listen to yoda than churchill. \(^_^)/
anyway, i’ll take a graceful abide or tolerate over a clumsy put up with.
posted by peter honeyman on August 15th, 2006 at 7:22 pmChurchill, the Rudy Giuliani of his time, also the man who 85 years ago did so much to pioneer the bombing and gassing of civilians by aircraft (those lucky Kurds!), did nonetheless have some moments of lucidity:
“You can always count on Americans to do the right thing — after they have tried everything else.”
“It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”
posted by hale on August 15th, 2006 at 8:36 pm“This weblog is private.” Ha!
Like a cockroach, flood a little light in and it’s back between the gaps in the grout. I’m glad AAio cherrypicked some of the notable quotes from this dude.
posted by OFWinsurgent on August 15th, 2006 at 9:10 pmAgreed Churchill was a sumbitch, but you have to love this classic exchange:
Lady Astor: Sir, you’re drunk!
posted by Dave on August 16th, 2006 at 11:33 amChurchill: Madam, you’re ugly, but in the morning I shall be sober.
Blogs are for dorks and pinheads. Now wipe that smirk of your pasty face, aaio. It’s getting pretty tired. I came back to town to find the same old shit written by the same old pinheads. One trick pony.
Put Brandon, YA pasty faced punk, at the top of the list of people who should never have a blog. His blog is about as dull as a bowl of self congratulatory oatmeal. Now go tell everyone how smart you are. Again.
Parking Structure Dude will probably end up living in his car renting a space in the John Allen Memorial Parking Structure at First and William. I hear that Republic Garages is hiring, dude.
I lived in the same house as Dave Cahill, Frank Michels (aka Beetle) Pete Murdoch, Eric Jackson, LaRon Williams, Nancy Paster, Kenny Brown and Judy Gorczak did in Ypsilanti. Not all at the same time, mind you.
YIPPIE!
posted by Mucho Gusto on August 16th, 2006 at 7:54 pmHey, my blog USED to have content, Mucho.
But yeah, it’s sucked for a good while.
hearts,
posted by Brandon on August 16th, 2006 at 9:45 pmBZ
The webmaster could at least have the dignity to resize the header graphic:
posted by James on August 16th, 2006 at 10:27 pmhttp://www.annarbortownies.com/media/G&O.jpg
I think I predicted way back that you would cut and run. Or was it some punk from the “New West Side” Whatever happened to that?
Have any blogs ever had content? I mean real original thought content? Not the constantly repeated and linked junk that passes for original thought? Except for Jorn Barger’s one and only, original, never to be repeated, Robot Wisdom, blogs are little more than navel gazing by people who would talk to a post if there wasn’t anyone else around. Weblogs are a waste of bandwidth and aaio tops the list with its negative, smirky, cynical, holier than thou attitude.
I hope New York City (or wherever in NY that might be) eats you alive. Maybe aaio can move to the Big Crapple with you. Our loss will be their gain. Ha Ha.
Yes, Ann Arbor sucks. AAIO has told us that until we almost believed it. We really appreciated your contribution. You really made a difference while you were here. Go trash someone elses home. It’s obvious that Ann Arbor was never yours.
posted by Mucho (back from New Orleans) Gusto on August 16th, 2006 at 10:29 pmThe Yahoo Search cache link (up above) for the AnnArborTownies.com blog appears to no longer work. Only the calendar turns up. Serious hysterical researchers who want to glimpse the vivid past of late “1 View of Ann Arbor” may now try this cached Google search result. But it is text only; the transparency features may be lost forever.
Sadly, this literary creation died almost at birth. What have we done?
The impressionable young houseplant, too diligently watered and fertilized by multiple caretakers, becomes overwhelmed and succumbs to its own nurturing.
On a side note, remember meeting Eric Jackson many moons ago. Haven’t heard his name in a quite a while - a good guy. I vaguely recalled hearing of him going (returning?) to Panama. Using that as a clue, a quick googling turned up this article near the top of the list. In it he happens to spend a while reminiscing about (Hello) Faz & Ypsi.
posted by hale on August 16th, 2006 at 10:33 pmNo dice. Google updated the cached search result. Content gone.
posted by hale on August 16th, 2006 at 11:05 pmOne final try at raising “1 View…” from the grave before moving on to another means of wasting time.
Oh, SNAP! Take that, you lousy students! Mucho Gusto rides again!
posted by Dale on August 16th, 2006 at 11:15 pmNo, Mucho Gusto rides a bicycle and walks.
Mucho Gusto no hate students. Mucho Gusto like students who pack our landfill with their waste, burn down rental property because they pass out drunk and set the porch couch on fire and don’t know that candles candles are hot. I have a permanent subscription to the NY Times due to students who either can’t read, don’t read, don’t know how to cancel a subscription and leave their trail of blue bags and red and blue plastic cups on Church Street and East U.
posted by Mucho (back from New Orleans) Gusto on August 17th, 2006 at 8:32 am::sigh::
He spent so much time complaining, he forgot to think about the fact that much of Ann Arbor is what it is — vibrant, cultural, and eclectic — because of the presence of the University. They, quite frankly, are the main source of income for a good portion of the businesses, especially one whose primary business is entertainment.
Sorry, I tend to rant when this subject comes up, so I should stop now since I’m probably a minority opinion
posted by Alix on August 17th, 2006 at 10:07 amYeah, whatever DID happen to the New West Side Association? Dale? Buehler?
Oh, I’ll be back in Michigan someday, Mucho. Detroit, Hamtramck, or Ypsilanti, maybe.
posted by Brandon on August 17th, 2006 at 10:19 amAn oft repeated myth. Before you give too much credit to students for keeping the city in the black economically, consider the infrastructure costs. Police, Fire, Water, inspection services, trash pick up etc. The property taxpayers (landlords, homeowners and businesses) of A2 pay not only for local cops, but pay for a portion of the UM cops also. The UM pays a pittance to the city for services. Students are terrible tippers. They’re wasteful and hardly ever recycle. Who pays for the dumpsters in the ghetto? Who foots the bill when the streets are blocked off during student move in? They trash rental property that requires constant remodelling and maintenance. At least that keeps the drywallers and electricians working. Students suck up the available parking places and drive up the cost of most everything. To a certain extent this may benefit businesses, but that’s a wash because of the higher cost of living in Ann Arbor.
You give the UM way too much credit for vibrancy, culture etc, and not near enough to local people who support the arts, schools, local businesses, buy homes, employ local contractors and workers.
Your blog is lame and not unlike the thousands of others (just from UM students alone!) that overpopulate the internet and push up the cost of access due to reduced bandwidth. How cute! Blecchhhh!
posted by Mucho (back from New Orleans) Gusto on August 17th, 2006 at 1:26 pmDoes anyone have any FACTS about how much $$ is generated by students who spend money on entertainment? I guess the beer distributors are making out like bandits. How much disposable income do students actually spend on local entertainment? I suspect a lot of it goes to iPods and porn.
posted by Mucho (back from New Orleans) Gusto on August 17th, 2006 at 1:31 pmI can’t wait for the blog, “Hamtramck Is Overrated”
posted by Mucho (back from New Orleans) Gusto on August 17th, 2006 at 1:33 pm“Before you give too much credit to students for keeping the city in the black economically, consider the infrastructure costs.”
OK, you do that–add up the numbers and tell us what you find.
posted by Bruce Fields on August 17th, 2006 at 2:27 pmAnd remember, with no students, there’d be no professors, no librarians, no construction workers tearing down and then building B-School buildings, etc.
posted by Chris on August 17th, 2006 at 2:47 pmWhat would the economy in A2 be based on if not for the university?
What isn’t directly related to the university is based on the highly educated work force that congregates around it. If UM was gone Ann Arbor would look like Ypsi minus EMU *shudder*
posted by Leroy Whored on August 17th, 2006 at 2:57 pmAnn Arbor would be another Michigan cow-town without the U. Some students can be a pain in the ass, no doubt, but if you can’t handle college kids, a college town is not the most logical place to live.
Now, you want serious weirdness and disruption, yep, New Orleans got it!
posted by Dave on August 17th, 2006 at 3:30 pmGusto:
I’m with Bruce - you get some numbers and we’ll talk. Otherwise, I’m going with my gut on this one: The University of Michigan brings smarts, one of the finest hospitals in the world, and tens of thousands of consuming humans into a mid-smallish-sized city. Are you saying that this is offset by the costs of trash collection, emergency services, bad tips and Madison street and East U. being blocked off for a few days each summer? Are you kidding me?
BTW: Unless you’ve stumbled onto another type of blue bag, the newspaper that you’ve been “reading” isn’t the NYT. Its the Wall Street Journal, which the business school gives to all of its students automatically.
posted by Daniel Adams on August 17th, 2006 at 3:49 pmMy NYT came in a blue bag when I was a subscriber.
posted by Lurkenstein Monster on August 17th, 2006 at 4:28 pmWhat a fine, sunny afternoon.
Looks like it’s been an excellent day for casual trolling.
Anyone know where the perch, trout or bluegill hang out?
Mucho G = The Revenge of AnnArborTownies.com
The Pinheads & their aaio Fifth Column must pay!
(Does that get us back to where we started?)
posted by hale on August 17th, 2006 at 5:59 pmGo ask Alix for those numbers. She made the claim, not me.
WSJ’s come in a clear plastic bags. Look at one next time you’re walking in the ghetto. If those “business” students had a clue, they might actually take the time to read them instead of letting them pile up like rectangular turds on their way to the landfill.
I never claimed that students and the UM don’t serve a purpose or contribute to the town. Unfortunately, people who only here for +- 4 years don’t have a stake in Ann Arbor and could not care any less for how they treat the place or where they leave their crap when they leave. Landfills aren’t cheap. And I think that claim about how much the UM and students contribute to A2 is overblown. For every upside, there is a downside. Few, if any, students ever bother to think about thir long term impact on a community. They tend to treat the town as their playground and expect to be catered to accordingly. There’s little thought and less action to leave it in better shape than when they arrived.
posted by Mucho Gusto on August 17th, 2006 at 6:35 pmGo ask Alix for those numbers. She made the claim, not me.
WSJ’s come in a clear plastic bags. Look at one next time you’re walking in the ghetto. If those “business” students had a clue, they might actually take the time to read them instead of letting them pile up like rectangular turds on their way to the landfill.
I never claimed that students and the UM don’t serve a purpose or contribute to the town. Unfortunately, people who only here for +- 4 years don’t have a stake in Ann Arbor and could not care any less for how they treat the place or where they leave their crap when they leave. Landfills aren’t cheap. And I think that claim about how much the UM and students contribute to A2 is overblown. For every upside, there is a downside. Few, if any, students ever bother to think about thir long term impact on a community. They tend to treat the town as their playground and expect to be catered to accordingly. There’s little thought and less action to leave it in better shape than when they arrived.
posted by another gusto on August 17th, 2006 at 6:35 pmaaio can’t stand the pain so they’re “moderating” my posts. Shade of Dick Cheney!
posted by YA Mucho Gusto on August 17th, 2006 at 6:39 pmaaio can’t stand the pain so they’re “moderating” my posts. Shade of Dick Cheney!
Mucho Outta Here Gusto
posted by Townie on August 17th, 2006 at 6:39 pmaaio is now “moderating” my posts. Shades of Dick Cheney.
just clear the cache and cookies
posted by ya gusto on August 17th, 2006 at 6:45 pmaaio is now “moderating” my posts. Shades of Dick Cheney.
just clear the cache and cookies
posted by YA on August 17th, 2006 at 6:46 pmStopping back here hours later, the number of responses is now less than before. After a bit of scrolling up & down…. where has our friend Mucho Gusto gone? Um, whatever happened, hopefully it hasn’t to do with my previous comment. Might this instead have involved secret meetings at City Hall or investigations by Homeland Security?
The earlier comment above attempted to quickly make a sarcastic reference (in kind of a Honeyman-style) to how “Mucho,” by writing in a cranky tone similar to the former “1 View of Ann Arbor” blogger, set off a prickly banter on the value of the “U” (a moldy topic) and on other things, hitting a raw nerve or two along the way, it would seem. Hours ago, reading through the day’s worth of then-unedited entries, they soon enough had me imagining the “1 View…” guy suddenly dropping in and tweaking aaio regulars. M.G. ruffled a few verbal feathers, hence the two-liners about (obvious) trolling and on imaginary revenge courtesy of an offended, irascible AAT.com.
By chance if it came across, as written, that I knew the identity of the now-departed “Mucho Gusto,” that’s not the case. Don’t know whether it’s the same writer as sometime back in the past. Nor was it intended to imply any use of sock puppetry. Whatever ultimately prompted it, the evening’s post removals effectively trolled the troller, sending away M.G. for “time out” from this here playgroup.
posted by hale on August 18th, 2006 at 1:16 amMucho Gusto stopped by Madison House for Brandons house party. Introduced himself, drank stale beer and listened to some very cool music.
It reminded me of the good old days.
Brandon? I am Spartacus!
Thanks!
posted by YA Gusto on August 19th, 2006 at 10:55 pmMucho gusto, I think I fixed the rule that my spam filter was using to moderate your comments. Because we would really miss you around here.
posted by ann arbor is overrated on August 20th, 2006 at 1:57 pmI aplogise,,, for the Mary sue comment (and the commas), I find him attractive.
posted by Grandpa on August 21st, 2006 at 7:45 amGusto — hope you enjoyed the Madison House shows — you know, the student house where a student organized local musicians (many of whom are students) for the enjoyment of students and townies alike. I’m impressed at how Brandon/MH was able to have such a great cultural impact with little economic investment.
Just like the old days, right?
posted by Dale on August 21st, 2006 at 12:35 pmYes, similar, except we rented West Park and had the MC5 and the Stooges play, in addition to the Grateful Dead.
posted by Michael McC. on August 21st, 2006 at 2:15 pmI was never a student, just an outside agitator and that role continues to this day. We showed movies outside on the side of our house and had rent parties. Movies rented for about $25 and we screened Freaks, The Trip, Alice in Wonderland and the all time wierdest film ever, Mystery of the Leaping Fish. Now that’s cultural impact on a shoestring! http://imdb.com/title/tt0007108/
Uh, Dale, I think you’re overestimating the cultural impact of a bunch of folkies singing in someone’s backyard. Been there, done that. There ain’t much new under the sun.
I will give a big hand to Brandon, who seems a cut or 2 above your average “student” and wiling to WORK at helping create community.
Hey, Mike! if you can remember, you weren’t there!
Like an old friend of mine once said, “Dont talk about it, DO IT!”
posted by Mucho Gusto on August 21st, 2006 at 2:48 pmIs “Mystery of the Leaping Fish” really weirder than “The Laughing Dead”?
posted by Larry Kestenbaum on August 21st, 2006 at 8:37 pmOh, I didn’t see the IMDB links for “Leaping Fish”. Here’s the links for MY contenders for the weirdest-ever movie:
The Laughing Dead
http://imdb.com/title/tt0097718/
Incubus
posted by Larry Kestenbaum on August 21st, 2006 at 8:43 pmhttp://imdb.com/title/tt0059311/
“Go ask Alix for those numbers. She made the claim, not me.”
Too bad I went on vacation. It’s unlikely this will be seen, but I’ll respond, anyway.
First, thanks so much for taking a look at the site my name links to, podc.blogspot.com It’s a fun hobby-type project that spang out of something I do at work, but it’s not hardly “[my] blog.” That site’s none of your business, thanks all the same.
Second, getting down to the point, I’d like to emphatically point out that I never once said it’s the students that are a source of income. I said it was the presence of the university.
The University employs more than 28,000 Staff. (Stat found here, apologies for my html-inabilities: http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/9697/Oct08_96/artcl15b.htm) Staff only, not faculty. The 2005 budget argument states that UM employed a total of 34,314 employees, including faculty and doctors. Certainly that number has changed in the intervening year, but I don’t imagine it’s a statistically interesting change. The budget argumentcan be found here: http://www.umich.edu/pres/speeches/budget_questions050323.html It also notes that the University is the single largest employer in the county, and the 6th largest in the state.
So, by faculty and staff alone, that’s 34,000+ people who live in or within commuting distance of Ann Arbor, and likely do most of their shopping between Ann Arbor and their homes, and are probably more likely to do their incidental shopping in or arond A2, because they are more familiar with the local businesses, probably through word of mouth. This I say from experience — I am staff, and even when I lived 25 miles away, I almost always did the majority of my shopping before leaving town and fighting traffic, and was more familiar with the specialty shops in town than I was closer to home, because I talked about them withother employees. Next, ask yourself how many of those employees have spouses who don’t work for the university and all the local business they generate? How many of them have children who go to local schools, and therefore support local businesses for things like clothing and entertainment?
Going back to the budget argument, in 2005, it states enrollment at just under 40,000, about 25,000 of whom are undergraduates. I don’t have stats for dorm vs. apartment dwellers, but even at a very conservative 50%, that’s 20,000 students paying property taxes via rent paid to landlords. Sticking with our conservative 50%, that’s also 20,000 students buying food, groceries, household supplies and personal items at Ann Arbor stores.
Given all this, is it truly reasonable to assume that without the University, Ann Arbor would still be the draw for arts-loving people that it is? I don’t think you could make a substantial claim either way, simply because there is no sensible way to make a before-university and after-university comparison. My opinion, though, is that it’s unlikely. Without the University — and, getting back to the original argument, all the student hassle that it entails — my opion is that Ann Arbor would at best be like Plymouth — high-tech industry attractive, suburban, and sadly somewhat soulless — and at worst much like Saline or Chelsea: typically, wholesomely midwestern, but nothing to write home about, despite being fine cities in their own right.
posted by Alix on August 29th, 2006 at 10:22 am“The earlier comment above attempted to quickly make a sarcastic reference (in kind of a Honeyman-style) …”
¡i have style! ¡yes!
ps: watch those split infinitives, hale.
posted by peter honeyman on August 29th, 2006 at 2:04 pmWhile looking for some old friends I stumbled across this blog.
Yep, I did move back to Panama, where I was born, early in 1994.
For baby boomer gringo retirees, it’s an increasingly popular tropical paradise, and it’s also a third world hellhole. I love this country, and I also despair for it. (Kinda like I feel about the USA, for a different set of reasons.)
At the moment I do The Panama News and have the Wappin’ radio show.
For the third straight time in the post-invasion period, we have a government that everyone said couldn’t possibly be more thuggish than the previous one yet turned out to be so.
Part of this one’s iniquity is a tight grip on almost all the mainstream media, and, in a recent referendum campaign, the payment of some $1.3 million in bribes to “journalists,” not including me. So of course, according to folks like the government and the Panama Canal Authority, since I am not on their payroll I’m not a “real journalist.”
Another aspect of media control is maintained by this country’s criminal defamation laws. I find myself, for the third time, a defendant in a “calumnia e injuria” case, for a story that can be found at www.thepanamanews.com/pn/v_12/issue_15/business_01.html — and by which I stand. About half of all journalists in this country — all the good ones and then some — have faced prosecutions like this. Under Panamanian law if your story is proven to be absolutely true you can be convicted and jailed for “injuria” for hurting the reputation of someone rich or powerful or well connected enough for the judges and prosecutors to want to protect. (My previous two cases ended in the Panamanian presidential aide who brought the first backing down when I called his bluff and he realized that the extra publicity would have threatened his sweetheart contract with a US government funded program; and in a presidential pardon before it came to trial, and the subsequent extradition and conviction in the USA of my accuser.)
Anyone who wants to get in touch can go to The Panama News website and find my phone number and emails there.
And it was SO COLD last night — must have gone down to 70 degrees with a dry season wind chill.
(Actually, I liked Ypsilanti winters on the snow and cold score, but the fewer hours of sunlight would set off a seasonal depression which I don’t get here at nine degrees north of the equator.)
posted by Eric Jackson on January 11th, 2007 at 4:46 pmWow, pretty articulate for almost 13.
posted by abc on January 11th, 2007 at 10:33 pmDo people real think like that…how sad.
posted by Closets on April 19th, 2007 at 4:47 pmWhat ever happened to Nancy Paster, Jeff, Laurie B. Rick C., and all those folks that lived at the Gutter in Ypsi? and how can Ann Arbor be overrated when its so close to Detroit?
posted by Timoteo on June 2nd, 2007 at 10:39 pm