I Scream, You Scream
Not every chain puts a local competitor out of business, at least when it’s a fair fight, as the Free Press illustrates with its profile of the healthy competition between Stucchi’s and next-door neighbor Ben & Jerry’s on State Street. (Of course, if Toscanini’s ever expanded past Boston, it could be a dire day for both of them.)
By my estimation Ben & Jerry’s is Leftist evil corporate instead of regular evil corporate so it’s somehow okay with A2. That and they have “Cherry Garcia” and tye-dies so the non-local stuff can be more readily ignored. I believe that baby-boomers love having their crappy culture sold back to them by the pint. Self-absorbed morons.
posted by Steven B. Cherry on December 31st, 2003 at 11:33 pm eSteverino,
Ben and Jerry’s is now owned by Ben Cohen and Unilever, a Dutch corporation that markets Breyers ice cream. It’s a fact that when it began, Ben & Jerry’s was a corporation with some ethics. Then the owners sold out to the highest bidder.
Don’t tell me that you would not have done the same thing if a big check was waved in front of your nose. I’m glad that Ben and Jerry made a buck from their vision and hard work and I’m sure their fat boomer asses wouldn’t deny you the same privelege. Blaming past generations for your inability to find your future is a waste of time and energy.
As far as your claim that boomers love having their culture sold back to them, you’re right. A lot of folks, young and old alike appreciate memories of their past and I have no doubt that if you live to a ripe old 50 you’ll be the same. Why would anyone want to tear down their memories and the culture they grew up with? I’ll bet that someday they’ll make commercials from Green Day’s music, if it already hasn’t happened.
Your flame bait of “self absorbed morons” is such a narrow minded and gross generality it doesn’t deserve a reply.
It’s just your kind of generational intolerance that makes Ann Arbor overrated. Get over it and get on with your life, bub.
posted by mucho leftist gusto on January 1st, 2004 at 10:08 am eI didn’t know Ben & Jerry sold out, that’s funny.
You say, “Don’t tell me that you would not have done the same thing if a big check was waved in front of your nose.”
Maybe this is the difference between you and me, perhpas between our generations. No, I don’t jump for money, I don’t kiss my bosses ass, some things are more important than money. Maybe there is something you can learn from us punks: Some of us value our relationship to our coummunity and our friends over a fleeting spike in income. Money comes and goes.
My generation volunteers at greater rates than yours ever did, we save a greater percentage of our income than yours, and we spend less time in the office and more at home. We have less debt. I credit these differences to watching you all show us how not to do things.
Concerning my childhood sold back to me: No, I prefer my memories to remain in my head and heart where they’re not perverted by billion-dollar corporations churning out info-tainment. Unlike you, I’m jaded by what corporate media can do for me and my family.
“Self-absorbed morons” is narrow, I’ll capitulate. I re-thought it and came up with “self-absorbed narcissists” instead. Calling the “Me” generation morons is just wrong, touche.
posted by Steven B. Cherry on January 1st, 2004 at 5:16 pm eSteverino,
Care to back up your claims regarding your generation differences with some evidence?
You’re just buying the hype of a media that is controlled by 30 something kids who are slaves to corporate business. Look who’s the target demographic of most major advertisers? Except for lipitor and viagra, it’s not boomers… it’s you and your generation!
Have you ever been in jail or committed a “crime” of conscience? I have. Volunteer? Yes, I do. Debt? Only what I owe on my mortgage. No credit card debt, no auto loan, no pool, no pets, ain’t got no cigarettes
If you’ve never kissed your bosses ass you haven’t ever felt threatened about how to feed your kids. And if you haven’t had kids, who’s gonna pay your health care and social security when you get old?
Talk to me about taking the money when imagining your future as a single person with no health insurance, no pension, no social security, and contantly searching for that job that will help you enjoy a long and healthy life. And the only skill you have is web page design.
I had those same pie in the sky hippie ideals that you do about valuing your relationship to your community. I still do and I put my money where my mouth is. Payin’ taxes and raising kids. Ever been to a pancake supper to raise money for school activities? Ever dished up meals in a church soup kitchen? Or are you too busy thinking ’bout how to keep from getting a real job or raising a family and stay true to your ideals about not kissing your bosses ass?
Remember not trusting anyone over 30? Now I don’t trust anyone under 30. Man, talk about a generation clueless to the realities of life in the big city and a dangerous planet. I wouldn’t trust anyone under 30 to pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the bottom.
I will admit that my generation are probably the worst parents ever. We raised some awfully self centered and stupid children, most of them are now between 20 and 35. We coddled them and allowed them to extend their adolescence. We did everything except teach them how to be responsible adults by the time they were 18. Mea culpa.
Ann Arbor is overrated because of boomer parents and their spoiled, overindulged children. And how are your children’s children going to rate you, Steve?
posted by self absorbed gusto on January 1st, 2004 at 7:16 pm eThis is what I love about being on the left…we beat up each other when we should be beating up the Man.
Folks! The intergenerational bashing gets us nowhere. If social security fails, we’ll all be screwed together. Not everyone over 30 is a money-grubbing materialist; not everyone under 30 is stupid and shallow.
I’m happy that I’m exactly 30 this year; I’ve managed to escape recriminations from both sides.
Regards–AP
posted by AP on January 1st, 2004 at 8:04 pm eWow! Blatant, pointless, and completely off-topic personal attacks! Now *this* is what I read blogs for! Wait, maybe not. Interesting content, intelligent conversation, and respectful discussions of differing viewpoints. That’s what I read for. Sorry, sometimes I get those things confused. Looks like I’m not the only one.
I stopped eating Ben & Jerry’s, even from pints, when they set up shop next to Stucchis. As a good little Ann Arbor region local, I likes my Stucchis. It wouldn’t bother me if Ben & Jerry’s had opened a store in A2 if they hadn’t opened it right next door to Stucchis. Competition is healthy, and good for the consumer (and the business), as long as it’s a fair fight, as our noble blogger notes. Opening a nearly identical business right next door, when it’s as specialized a market as ice cream cones, can only be interpreted as an attack–an attempt to sucker-punch the locals by stealing impulse buys through superior brand recognition. That’s what rankles me about Ben & Jerry’s.
Fortunately, this blatancy probably gives Stucchi’s the advantage. Steven, you attack Ann Arborites for embracing Ben & Jerry’s now-faux hippiedom as a reflection of their own now-faux hippiedom. As far as I can tell, the actual Ann Arborites have mostly performed ritual scarring in the name of the Stucchis holy war and vowed to defend their local patron spirit of frosty deliciousness against the marauding forces of non-local corporate America. The Ben & Jerry’s customers are the students and other folks who aren’t local, and therefore aren’t familiar with Stucchi’s, which makes them more susceptible to the brand-allure of Ben & Jerry’s. As one of the few bloggers in these parts who seems happy to call himself an Ann Arborite, I mostly don’t mind the constant attacks, but please try to make ‘em accurate, eh?
posted by Murph on January 2nd, 2004 at 2:01 am eI actually prefer Ben and Jerry’s to Stucchi’s (aaio said in a small voice)
posted by ann arbor is overrated on January 2nd, 2004 at 2:16 am eHappy Ann Arborite… even if it is overrated
posted by mucho gusto :-) on January 2nd, 2004 at 7:48 am eI was enjoying the Mucho Gusto/Revolution inter-generational warfare (Anna said in a small voice)
posted by Anna on January 2nd, 2004 at 10:55 am e“If you’ve never kissed your bosses ass you haven’t ever felt threatened about how to feed your kids.” Remember when Brando told Pachino that he doesn’t apologize to anyone for doing what he had to do to put food on the table. Most important line in the Godfather trilogy.
Mucho, you’re getting a little ahead of yourself in your critique of the under 35 crowd.
“Remember not trusting anyone over 30? Now I don’t trust anyone under 30. Man, talk about a generation clueless to the realities of life in the big city and a dangerous planet. I wouldn’t trust anyone under 30 to pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the bottom.”
Way over the top, Mucho. Some of us who fit in this category get more done before 9am then all of the 40+ year olds in this town do over an entire month.
As an example, the people of your generation figured out that we may be polluting too much—but they never took the time to go to school to study engineering and life sciences so that they could actually FIX the problem. Getting arrested doesn’t get it done anymore.
There is a big, big difference between getting arrested for, say, picketing Monsanto because they pollute too much, and getting off your high horse and obtaining a Master’s degree in Chem. Engineering so that you can work WITH (or for) Monsanto to help them to find more benign chemicals, or to help them eliminate their use altogether. Guess which path I find more commmendable in this example?
You are falling into the same trap that your parents did, Mucho. You are pulling the “I weep for the future” crap. It’s the same line of BS that Reagan evoked in the 60’s when speaking to the California “hippies”.
The fact of the matter is that the problems that this Generation X’er faces are quite different from the problems that you faced. And from my perspective, we are much better prepared to solve these problems than your generation was. This isn’t a slam, it’s the truth.
Now whether or not we actually DO go out and solve these problems is a different story.
Ann Arbor is full of problem solvers. Unfortunately, many of them are transients. I, for one, am bummed to hear the AAIO will be leaving our sometimes fair city when graduation times comes. We could use AAIO’s help.
posted by todd on January 2nd, 2004 at 10:59 am eOne addendum to Todd’s post:
“And if you haven’t had kids, who’s gonna pay your health care and social security when you get old?” I hope this was said in jest, Mucho, and if so, please ignore what follows.
When you get old, your kids (or worse, other peoples’ kids) shouldn’t be paying for your health care and your monthly expenses — you should, with the savings and investments you should be accumulating in preparation for your retirement. One of the few certainties in this world is that we’re all going to get old. There is no excuse for the way the boomers have squandered their incomes, living beyond their means almost their entire adult lives, accumulating credit card debt and saving way too little.
If you really care about your children, cut back on your lifestyle and start saving your money so you don’t burden everyone else with your lack of foresight . Geez.
posted by Anna on January 2nd, 2004 at 11:18 am eTodd and Anna, nicely said.
posted by Boris on January 2nd, 2004 at 2:17 pm eAnna,
Growing old is far from a certainty. Death is a certainty. Your statement only shows your lack of life experience.
I paid for my parents Social Security. That’s the way the SS system works. Your kids will pay for yours, unless they try to screw you like you’re doing to me. You bought into the right wing myth of pull yourself up by your own bootstraps. It’s ok if you’re white, middle class, educated and got boots to pull up. Doesn’t work for everybody. Get your mind in gear before you open your mouth about something of which you know very little.
I though we (the USA) were supposed to take care of our own? I suppose we should not give a shit about anyone else in this country? Your attitude tells me that if you get yours it’s not important that you think of others who are not as fortunate. You bought into just what Bush Inc wants you to believe… namely “I got mine and you aren’t worthy because you didn’t work hard enough”.
Most boomers “squandered” their incomes by indulging their children, paying student loans, putting their kids through college, buying expensive homes in neighborhoods with good schools so their kids might get a good education, health care, working two jobs to afford a home and a family. Honey, don’t you realize that most of this “squandered” income was to support you and your generation??? Don’t confuse me with geezers on a cruise or empty nesters who buy million $$ condo’s in Florida!
Look, before you throw stones and make GROSS generalizations about anyone or group, try to take a look at your own future and how you might handle it? k? My kids are free and clear, no debt from me, but then maybe I should spend every last dime before they suck it out of me. By your way of thinking I shouldn’t try to leave anything to them. Now, if your parents (or Steve or Boris) spent your inheritance or put your generation in debt maybe you should direct your venom at them.
My forseight made it easier for you and your generation to go to college, sweetums. What a bunch of spolied brats I raised! Give them a college education and they think they have all the answers. I’ll just step aside so you can deal with the world and it’s myriad problems. k? You are obviously smarter and better equipped to handle them because you still have all your brain cells. Lucky you.
I have never heard a generation more spoiled and concivned of their rightness (except mine) than yours. You’re boomers children fer sure… a perfect match.
I have yet to hear one iota of evidence that x, y and z’ers save more money, work harder or volunteer more that any other generation as stated by Steve Cherry. Talk is cheap, bub
Steve, I do weep for the future if all we can look forward to is a bunch of whining kids who are so angry that they missed out on all the cool stuff we did.
Show me how much you can change the future. HAH! Been there, done that. It ain’t as easy as it looks.
Done more by 9? ROFL!! I suppose if you count email and surfing the net, sipping a latte and talking on a cell phone as work, you got me beat. I get up and 5:30 so my kids can get off to school with a good meal. My wife works 50+ hrs a week, then there’s after school, hockey, band, taking care of our elderly parents and a home. Sunday for church and volunteer work. Don’t make me laugh about how hard you work. What a shortsighted moron, you are. I pity your parents for raising such an ingrate.
I got arrested (failure to report for induction, not for chaining myself to a tree) AND have an engineering degree, Stevey
The ony thing you got right is that the world is a tougher place these days, but you’ll never make a difference even though hope you will. But if you and your generation waste your time and energy on blaming my generation you’ll never make that difference. it’s not about me. I’m a dinosaur, it’s about you and the future… heaven help us.
I never believe anyone who is so convinced of themselves to proclaim that they know “the truth”. Unlike you it seems.
That’s the big diff between your generation and mine
posted by mucho gusto on January 2nd, 2004 at 2:17 pm eStucci’s does taste kind of sour. B + J’s is kinda lame. Ice cream in winter is kinda sadistic.
Supposedly, almost identical business locating next to each other is actually good: creating a sort of district for specialized businesses.
If some boomers see having children as kind of a savings security plan, I weep for them all.
posted by Leighton on January 2nd, 2004 at 2:27 pm eMucho, I am choosing to respond not for your benefit but for that of AAIO readers since you would not trust me to “pour piss out of a boot”.
“Care to back up your claims regarding your generation differences with some
evidence?”
According to sources (bottom), volunteerism is a wash betwee X-ers and Boomers. The only difference might be the type of volunteering we do. X-ers volunteer through community groups and organizations while Boomers report doing things like “visiting elderly neighbors”. I will assuredly find more germane generational-warfare statists for coming posts on my own weblog.
“You’re just buying the hype of a media that is controlled by 30 something kids who are slaves to corporate business. Look who’s the target demographic of most major advertisers? Except for lipitor and viagra, it’s not boomers… it’s you and your generation!”
Yeah, I’m all about hype, ask anyone. There has never been a generation more immune to the constant pitch of marketers than mine. Why do so many marketing companies give seminiars on marketing to generation X? Because we’re a tough sell. The last time I checked, 30-somethings controlled little media. Ted Turner? Rupert Merdoch? I’m not sure where that info came from but quid pro quo on the provison of data.
“Have you ever been in jail or committed a “crime” of conscience? I have.
I know that was cracked on the head with a baton from behind by a riot-clad policeman in DC while protesting the war in Iraq in 1990, though I didn’t see battle-scars being relevant really.
This about your generation not you. Today they corral us into “Free Speech Zones” blocks from the target of protest. It’s unfortunate that demonstrations no-longer work. They’ve got containg the message of a demonstration down to a science. They shoot teargas at us and whisk us away before the media shows up. Let’s not be naieve please, protesting in 2004 is different than 1964. Today they photograph us an put us on lists. So please give it a rest.
“No credit card debt, no auto loan, no pool, no pets, ain’t got no cigarettesIf you’ve never kissed your bosses ass you haven’t ever felt threatened about how to feed your kids.”
I too responsible to have kids, since I have to pay for mine and that of those not as responible as I. It will take longer for me to be able to afford children and I choose not to live beyond my means.
“And if you haven’t had kids, who’s gonna pay your health care and social security when you get old?”
I am. That’s always been the plan. I don’t afford the luxury of counting on social security income.
“Talk to me about taking the money when imagining your future as a single person with no health insurance, no pension, no social security, and contantly searching for that job that will help you enjoy a long and healthy life.”
I’m not afraid. I’ve been saving for retirement since my early 20s. I’m not hard-wired to do one job, I’m flexible and I’ll be fine. It’s your generation I’m worried about. The government has done me few favors, I don’t expect it to start so I plan for hard times.
“And the only skill you have is web page design.”
I’m flattered you think I’m a web-designer as it’s only a hobby. You don’t know me, friend. I suggest you confine your argument to things which with you are familiar.
“I had those same pie in the sky hippie ideals that you do about valuing your relationship to your community. I still do and I put my money where my mouth is.”
Then way all the hate? I’m confused by your adgenda. We are working together on this no? So are you in our out? You “had” ideals of community or you “have” them. Which is it? Oh that’s right, there’s a trust issue, we’re all you’ve got, it’s a shame you shit in your bed.
“Payin’ taxes and raising kids. Ever been to a pancake supper to raise money for school activities? Ever dished up meals in a church soup kitchen? Or are you too busy thinking ’bout how to keep from getting a real job or raising a family and stay true to your ideals about not kissing your bosses ass?”
I intend to teach my children self-reliance and that they don’t have to kiss anyone’s ass, that no person is better than they or anyone else. Since jobs are now disposable I’d rather get a new one than kiss anyone’s ass.
I’ll remind you that it’s your generation that fed us the bullshit about us being able to do “whatever we want” for a living. I’d like to thank you on behalf of my entire generation for that lie. Thanks for nothing.
“Man, talk about a generation clueless to the realities of life in the big city and a dangerous planet.”
Huh? Who do you think lives in the “big city”? Crazy young people, it’s the only place you haven’t priced us out of. I can’t even hear that bullshit man.
“I wouldn’t trust anyone under 30 to pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the bottom.”
Congratulations, you’re going to die a lonely man. I hope one of mine will have the mind to collect your sour bones. I’m not goin out like that. Unlike your generation, I intend to make a place for my children and maybe they’ll make a place for me.
“I will admit that my generation are probably the worst parents ever. We raised some awfully self centered and stupid children, most of them are now between 20 and 35. We coddled them and allowed them to extend their adolescence. We did everything except teach them how to be responsible adults by the time they were 18. Mea culpa.”
You make this sound like it’s our fault somehow. I find your reaction to what your generation has produced very telling. I’d have preferred the latter to the former. Are you now suprise that we’re pissed? How insulting. That’s like beating your children them blaming them.
“And how are your children’s children going to rate you, Steve?”
Anonymous coward, When we’re done cleaning up your mess maybe we can accomplish something for our children. And I choose not to speak for my children, I will work to afford them that which I was not able to enjoy.
Sources:
posted by Steven B. Cherry on January 2nd, 2004 at 4:11 pm e(U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics)
(US Dept of Agriculture)
(US Census Bureau)
Mucho,
I think that your ire is directed toward me, not Steve—ok, maybe we both ticked you off.
“Done more by 9? ROFL!! I suppose if you count email and surfing the net, sipping a latte and talking on a cell phone as work, you got me beat. I get up and 5:30 so my kids can get off to school with a good meal. My wife works 50+ hrs a week, then there’s after school, hockey, band, taking care of our elderly parents and a home. Sunday for church and volunteer work. Don’t make me laugh about how hard you work. What a shortsighted moron, you are. I pity your parents for raising such an ingrate.”
You chose the wrong adversary to glove-slap, Mucho. I have been working at least 12 hours a day, six to seven (usually seven) days a week since 1997. No vacations. No three day weekends. No leaving work early to take the kids to a soccer game. 50 hours a week is a joke to me…and what I do is mostly hard labor. You don’t believe me, come on down, and I’ll show what a hard day’s work is really like. Unless you dig trenchs for a living, you won’t last a week here.
I don’t have kids, and I’m not even close to married, so you’ve got me on the kids thing for now. But that will change soon enough (I hope).
“Show me how much you can change the future. HAH! Been there, done that. It ain’t as easy as it looks.”-mucho. ***Now this one is an easy one. I will be lecturing at the UMich B-School in Feb. about what I do/have done in the name of making the world a better place.
I am betting that there will be more than a few in attendance over the age of 35 (including my father, who is no slouch) who will agree that I have very much changed the world for the better. Shoot me an email, and I will send you details. I am guessing that many of the grad students who post here have many accomplishments to be proud of as well. So I find the assertion above to be condescending and rude. I am hoping that this isn’t something that you tell your kids!?!
“I never believe anyone who is so convinced of themselves to proclaim that they know “the truth”. Unlike you it seems.-mucho”
The only part of my post that mentioned “the truth” was where I told you that we are better prepared to fix things than your generation was. What I was referring to was the gains in science and technology, coupled with many more, as well as better, grad. school programs—things like Environmental Engineering, a discipline that didn’t exist when you were in college….I didn’t mean anything more than that.
Mucho, I have agreed with many of the posts that you have sent to AAIO, but you can’t take potshots at an entire generation and not expect a return volley. There were many, many, bad things that came out of the rampant liberalism of the 60’s (for one thing, it led to the Reagan and Bush reactionaries)—-it wasn’t all happy communes, turtlenecks, chess, and war-ending marches. I think that you know this, too.
In all sincerity, Happy New Year, and I think it’s fair to say that both generations have its strengths and weaknesses…..but don’t give up on us youngsters. We’re just gettin’ warmed up.
posted by todd on January 2nd, 2004 at 4:14 pm eFrankly, I hope Bush gets rid of Social Security and Medicare, just so I can see you kids fret about how you’re going to pay for your health an elder care IF you live long enough to retire and collect. It would serve you right for believing in the Republican’s Bill Of Goods. Fortunately for you, the good old baby boomers will have to get revolutionary on the politicians asses to save some sort of social programs that benefit Americans least prepared to help themselves. You on the other hand are willing to ignore reality and trust in “the market” as proposed by Republican politicians and the corporations that support them. Geeeeeez yer own self.
I suppose you support the proposals for putting your social security taxes into stock market savings accounts (because that’s what’s being proposed kiddies). It would serve you right if all the Enrons and WorldComs tank and take the stock market with them in the process. Just in time to take your health care and retirement pension with them. I hope the stock market dives the day you retire.
For all the progressive ranting of x. y and z’s, you kids are playing onto the hands of hard core conservative politicians by believing in the Protestant work ethic (if you know what that means) and the “bootstrap” theory. They would gut any kind of social safety net that might help you and your family out when you lose your dot com job. Where are your progressive political values? Where is your solidarity with the poor and disenfranchised? I you think going to Cancun for spring break margaritas qualifies for helping world countries.
Aren’t you hearing any of your contradictions?
Learn a trade.
posted by mucho ranting gusto on January 2nd, 2004 at 4:14 pm eMucho me molesta,
Yes, you are right; certainty is dying, old if we’re lucky. Mia culpa.
For your information, I get out of bed every and I work to make your life better. I don’t squander the education that I was fortunate enough to obtain. In addition to pulling 70+ hour weeks, I volunteer at a literacy program — teaching inner city kids how to read — and give 7% of my income to causes that I believe in. I vote. I pay taxes.
Furthermore, I am as fortunate as I am partly due to luck, but a lot due to discipline and hard work. I worked almost 40 hours a week waiting tables during high school to save for college. I worked during college. I worked during the summers. I spent 70 hours a week in the lab and classroom during grad school AND managed to find the time to work other jobs, still completing my Ph.D. in five years. During the two years after college and the five years of graduate school, I managed to live on $14,000 a year or less for seven years while consistently working toward my career goals without accumulating debt (and while still finding money to donate to charity). I may be young, but I by no means lack life experience.
Your generation, the ones who live to be old enough, will get more back from the social security program than they ever paid in. I’m all for helping the less fortunate, what I’m not too into is helping people who are too undisciplined and self-serving to actually think about what the future may hold. Or think about it and just assume that other people will pick up the slack.
My parents consistently spent less than they earned and socked money away for their retirement. They provided me with the opportunity to go to an excellent college by putting me first and by foregoing things they wanted and even things they needed; you’re right. And I will repay them by doing what I can. Already, I have spent months driving eight hours round trip weekly to take my mother to her chemotherapy appointments three states away, working on my laptop for long stretches in the hospital because I couldn’t afford the time off. And after this is done, I’ll do other things like it, because I take my obligations and responsibilities seriously. But you didn’t do shit for me and feel like I owe you a carefree retirement just because you and your rag tag friends picketed in some bumblef*ck town in the midwest.
And by the way, I am by no means part of the right wing. I’m just not into shirking responsibility. If you grew up in inner city Detroit without a proper elementary school education, never learned to read properly and were surrounded by violence all your life, yes, I do feel an obligation to you. What happens to kids here in my current city makes me absolutely sick. But a spoiled white brat from Ann Arbor doesn’t really tug at my heart strings, toots.
Love,
posted by Anna on January 2nd, 2004 at 4:30 pm eAnna
Anna,
You’re a rock star.
You know it.
I know it.
The fans know it.
….I think that your story fits the profile of many who post here. Mucho is probably just figuring this out.
posted by todd on January 2nd, 2004 at 4:42 pm eShe could teach us, but she’s have to charge. . .
posted by Steven B. Cherry on January 2nd, 2004 at 5:03 pm eSteve, Anna, and Todd — I don’t remember whether it was George Bernard Shaw or Mark Twain, but it’s good advice for anyone tempted to engage Mucho Self-Righteouso in intelligent discourse: “Never wrestle with a pig. You get dirty and, besides, the pig likes it.”
posted by Boris on January 2nd, 2004 at 5:06 pm e“But you didn’t do shit for me and feel like I owe you a carefree retirement just because you and your rag tag friends picketed in some bumblef*ck town in the midwest.” (Anna)
Priceless.
posted by Boris on January 2nd, 2004 at 5:08 pm etodd; “potshots at an entire generation”?
Please read again the rants by Steve and Boris. If you believe them you would think that baby boomers killed Vince Foster and are behind the crack epidemic.
Anna; my apologies to you. I commend you on your hard work and good grammar. You’re up for sainthood. Hope your mom is doing well. My wife is a survivor too. So is my son.
Steve and Boris; Old age and treachery will overcome youth and enthusiasm every time.
posted by mucho gusto on January 2nd, 2004 at 5:28 pm etodd; “potshots at an entire generation”?
Please read again the rants by Steve and Boris. If you believe them you would think that baby boomers killed Vince Foster and are behind the crack epidemic.
Anna; my apologies to you. I commend you on your hard work and good grammar. You’re up for sainthood. Hope your mom is doing well. My wife is a survivor too. So is my son.
Steve and Boris; Old age and treachery will overcome youth and enthusiasm every time.
posted by mucho gusto on January 2nd, 2004 at 5:33 pm eBoris, you’re probably right…but wrestling with He-Who-Dances-With-Tie-Dyes is a pretty good time, even for the human.
Todd, you’re the one who rocks. Seriously.
Steve, I have some lectures to prepare (free if you care to attend). Since you’ve so excellently made quick work of HWDWTD, I put our generation’s defense in your hands.
posted by Anna on January 2nd, 2004 at 5:34 pm eI have bottomless contempt for the disparity between the America which I was sold and that wich is now being handed to me.
posted by Steven B. Cherry on January 2nd, 2004 at 5:41 pm eMucho,
“Old age and treachery will overcome youth and enthusiasm every time.”
Now do you want that in marble or granite?
posted by Steven B. Cherry on January 2nd, 2004 at 5:46 pm eSo, Steve, “your world” is being handed to you? Handed to you?? Are you serious???
And now it’s not what you wanted? Poor baby.
Buyers remorse is a hard pill to swallow.
posted by mucho old school gusto on January 2nd, 2004 at 9:56 pm eOh, and by way of establishing my street cred: I was arrested once.
But it was for Minor in Posession.
(Damn. So much for waging war on The Establishment
)
posted by Anna on January 2nd, 2004 at 10:28 pm eLet me rephrase. I now imagine I’ll be prying America out of your cold dead hands after you’ve sucked every scrap of marrow and good out of it.
Mucho, you sure told me. I’m just a punk not fit to pour your piss. Maybe I’ll piss all the way off to Mexico or Canada. I don’t have to clean up your generation’s mess, you should be thanking me old man, I haven’t left yet.
posted by Steven B. Cherry on January 2nd, 2004 at 11:16 pm eTotally off-topic, but apparently the cold and gray has gotten to at least one AA resident.
A clementine sniper is on the loose in the S. State Street area. Watch out, before he diversifies and adds tangerines and cumquats to his arsenal.
posted by Anna on January 3rd, 2004 at 1:05 pm e“I you think going to Cancun for spring break margaritas qualifies for helping world countries.
Aren’t you hearing any of your contradictions?”–Mucho
Are you just not reading anyone else’s posts, or have you simply gone off the deep end? I wouldn’t know what a tiki drink was if it fell on me, and I’m not alone.
Gen X is on the case, mucho….and apparently you don’t believe this, but we are quite competent and hardworking. Let it go.
Anna,
Yes….more fruit jokes, please. This thread is going nowhere fast.
posted by todd on January 3rd, 2004 at 1:35 pm eAs for that clementine story, I’d like to know what a 45 year-old Saline woman was doing driving up State Street at 4.45 am. That to me is the fishiest part of the whole story.
And while we’re enjoying the fruits of a much-needed armistice in Mucho Hoocho’s intergenerational war, can someone please explain to me the difference between a clementine and a tangerine?
posted by Boris on January 5th, 2004 at 11:35 pm eMy research indicates that clementines are Seville orange/mandarin tangerine hybids. Generally, tangerines are more reddish in color, clementines have fewer seeds.
posted by Hillary on January 6th, 2004 at 9:48 am eThanks, Hillary. I suppose either could do severe damage to a Saline woman’s windshield northbound on State St at 4.45 am.
posted by Boris on January 6th, 2004 at 1:54 pm eLiving in bloomfield hills for 2 years I can attended to what is termed as “expensive”, but in “A2″ your money is eaten up by the mear name of ann arbor, and the shitty little mall they call briarwood. Ann arborites that stray to every go outside of their little realm of false reality and superficial surroundings add to the discomfort of the city
posted by me on January 8th, 2004 at 11:32 am eStucchi’s rules! I am glad that they withstood B&J opening right next door and showed that just because you write all your social and charity activities on your walls like B&J, truly following and supporting the local community, like Stucchi’s, without having to use it as advertisement to make sales is still worth something!
posted by shil on January 8th, 2004 at 4:40 pm e